Harry Potterish Musings on Book 7

[billroper]

I'm not sure if I've posted it before, but it's 7/7/7 today and book 7 of the Harry Potter series is due out shortly, so the occasion's reasonable.

There's a lot of folks who've theorized that a piece of Voldemort's soul is residing in Harry, Voldemort having inadvertantly created a horcrux in Harry when he murdered Harry's parents. And there's a lot to be said for that theory, I think.

Of course, unless the horcrux is destroyed, Voldemort can't be killed. So Harry Potter must die in book 7 if Voldemort is to be killed.

But no one said that Harry Potter had to stay dead.

Clinical death might well be enough to banish the bit of Voldemort's soul from Harry. And there are a number of candidates for the job of reviving Harry. Hermione, Ron, Snape...

Comments

[blueeyedtigress.livejournal.com]

.... Fawkes. ;]

I LIKE it

[capplor.livejournal.com]

As best as I can tell, Snape is seriously a nasty piece of work, BUT I've always liked the concept that he might be on the same side as Dumbledore (aka "The good guys") anyway. That just adds so much depth to the tale, I'll be seriously disappointed if it's not true. If it were he that revived Harry, it would be delicious!

Re: I LIKE it

[mbumby.livejournal.com]

I think Snape _is_ on the Dumbledore side. He's damaged goods, sure, and not a happy camper, and he loved Harry's mom and hated Harry's dad (with cause). I'm figuring he'll probably die saving Harry in some way, and we'll all learn how misunderstood he was... If he isn't redeemed in some way I'll also be quite disappointed.

Re: I LIKE it

[madfilkentist]

I like the theory that Dumbledore made Snape swear an Unbreakable Vow to protect Harry. If this is the only reason that Snape has done anything for Harry, it casts strong doubts on his character. Still, I really would like Snape to prove to be a good guy in the end.

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[smoooom.livejournal.com]

I want Snape to be a good guy so much that it hurts. He has to be good. everything that happened on the tower was somehow prearranged, Snape has to be a good guy. Please . . . . . . . . . . . .

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[mbumby.livejournal.com]

Ooooh, I hadn't heard/thought up that one before.

I'm betting that the argument between Snape and Dumbledore was that S was gonna have to kill (or is that "kill") D. But now I'm wondering what happens if/when 2 unbreakable vows conflict...

Re: I LIKE it

[mia-mcdavid.livejournal.com]

I am morally certain that Snape promised Dumbledore that he (Snape) would kill him (Dumbledore)to preserve and enhance his status with Voldemort. I further believe that Dumbledore was already dying, and that Dumbledore did not want a murder on Draco's soul.

We shall see...

[(Anonymous)]

Also if the horcrux is just the scar, then only the scar needs to be destroyed. Harry does not necessarily need to die. Could still be a dramatic scene when Snape or maybe Ron or even Harry himself cut the scar off! But we will find out in just one week!

[rook543.livejournal.com]

Oops...sorry...I meant 2 weeks (I think it comes out on the 21st)

[kestrels-nest.livejournal.com]

Or Harry could go on as Professor Binns has. :)

[(Anonymous)]

If Harry's a Horcrux, then Voldy has miscounted and inadvertently split his soul into 8 parts rather than the 7 that he believes would be the most powerful number.

I wonder if Hermione might not be able to figure out a way of taking advantage of that?

Sam Winolj

How do you figure that?

[capplor.livejournal.com]

Isn't one of the horocruxes unknown already? I think V. meant to create the 7th horocrux with the death of the one prophesied to be able to kill him (vanity, mostly) but with the killing curse 'bouncing' it may not have been whatever intended object he had brought for the purpose. (Hmm. That would leave something of significance at "the scene of the crime" wouldn't it? And Harry's planning to start his search there.)

Re: How do you figure that?

[(Anonymous)]

"Isn't one of the horocruxes unknown already?"

Dumbledore thought that Riddle planned to use Harry's murder to create his sixth (and final) Horcrux, thus leaving his soul in seven pieces (including the piece he retained within himself, of course). We do not know what object he planned to use for that Horcrux.

"I think V. meant to create the 7th horocrux with the death of the one prophesied to be able to kill him (vanity, mostly) but with the killing curse 'bouncing' it may not have been whatever intended object he had brought for the purpose."

Yeah, the usual theory is that Harry was accidentally made a Horcrux at that point, and that Riddle didn't realize it, as he was too busy being vaporized to pay much attention.

Dumbledore believed that Riddle then made Nagini into a Horcrux using the murder of Frank Bryce. If so, he's split his soul into 8 pieces total, and has lost whatever magical benefit he expected from the number seven.

That would make the list of Horcruxes:
Tom Riddle's diary (destroyed by Harry in the Chamber of Secrets)
Marvolo Gaunt's ring (destroyed by Dumbledore)
Slytherin's Locket (stolen by R.A.B.)
Hufflepuff's Cup (location unknown)
An unknown object (created before Riddle murdered the Potters)
Harry
Nagini

Like you, I'm expecting Harry to learn something interesting in Godric's Hollow.

I'm also looking forward to the Dursleys' reaction to having an of-age Wizard and Witch living with them, assuming Ron and Hermione can follow through on their promise to go home with Harry. Should be fun.

Sam Winolj

[jcw-da-dmg.livejournal.com]

Harry was as good as dead in Chamber of Secrets until Fawkes cried on his wound.

Since Voldemort knows everything Harry does (or seems to), doesn't it make sense that V would have to be convinced that Dumbledore is out of the way, and wouldn't Harry therefore have to be convinced as well? And who says Dumbledore has to stay dead either? Wasn't his familiar a PHOENIX, for cryin' out loud?

[smoooom.livejournal.com]

Dumledore is dead, he's not coming back. Dumbledore coming back would ruin the lesson Harry learned in Half Blood Prince. that is he can not rely on the protection of any one. Personally I would be very disapointed if Dumbledore some how came back.

[dvandorn.livejournal.com]

No, I don't think so. I think Dumbledore is not permanently dead. Remember what Dumbledore says to Draco near the end of Half-Blood Prince? When trying to woo Draco back away from Voldemort, Dumbledore offers him protection from being killed -- by telling Draco that no one will try to kill him if they believe he's already dead!

And what are we arguing about? Whether or not Dumbledore is really dead!

Now, my dears, THAT is foreshadowing...

[smoooom.livejournal.com]

Foreshadowing? Perhaps, but I think that it would be a vey weak plot twist, and while Rowling has some weak points as a writer weak plot twists are not one them. I'm more likley to believe that Harry's scar is a Horcrux.

Still either was I've got a countdown on the monitor and I'm itching to read the book so I''l know. it will be interesting to see what theories were right and which were wrong.

[smoooom.livejournal.com]

Harry as a Horcrux. It was an idea that ever even occured to me. Mugglenet (yes I'm that much of a geek) has compelling arguments for both sides. Mike (my oldest) is convinced Harry is a a horcrux. Me? I'm not so convinced, I just don't see it. Two weeks from now we'll know, waiting is worse than waiting for christmas.

A thought did just occur to me, perhaps Harry had some sort of toy with him, and THAT became a horcrux. A cute stufed bear, or dragon. Or more likey not.

[laurel-potter.livejournal.com]

I don't think Harry or his scar is a Horcrux, although I'm not at all certain.

MoldyVoldy was planning on creating a Horcrux that night at Godric's Hallow, so I think that when Harry visits there he may find an object, like the something of Ravenclaw's, lying in the rubble, but it didn't become a Horcux.

[laurel-potter.livejournal.com]

And there are a number of candidates for the job of reviving Harry. Hermione, Ron, Snape...

...Ginny....

[jcw-da-dmg.livejournal.com]

. . . McGonagall, Neville, Lupin, Mr. or Mrs. Weasley, Slughorn, . . .

(Personally I think something BIG will happen with Neville in DH)

[rmeidaking.livejournal.com]

My personal prediction is that Harry goes into battle with Voldemort, who is assited by Draco, and halfway through, Draco actually switches sides and dies saving Harry. A dramatic scene occurs in which, yes, the scar is revealed to be part of the horcrux, but it leaves Harry without killing him, and the rest of what's left of Voldemort is eaten by Dementors.

[mia-mcdavid.livejournal.com]

Interesting theory and quite plausible. I just re-read Goblet of Fire so as to be up to speed for the movie (re-reading Order of the Phoenix would,in all probability, just make the movie irritating), and I noticed that there is a drop of Harry's blood in Voldemort, and that Dumbledore showed a flash of triumph when he learned that. That, my dears, is a Foreshadowing--anybody wanna bet?