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billroper ([personal profile] billroper) wrote2005-01-06 10:58 am
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Good for Arnie!

Via Instapundit, I discover that Arnold Schwarzenegger has proposed a plan to eliminate gerrymandering in California. It may not be a perfect plan, but it'll get folks talking about the issue.

[identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com 2005-01-06 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting. I'm not a big fan of Ahnult's governance, but I have to admit that, on its face, that idea has a lot to recommend it. The devil will be in the details, but by all means it should be looked at.

[identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com 2005-01-06 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that getting rid of gerrymandering would go a long way towards making America a better place.

[identity profile] johnridley.livejournal.com 2005-01-06 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I listened to parts of his speech this morning on NPR, and I thought pretty well of it. He's got lots of good intentions, I hope he can make some of them work. I also think gerrymandering is reprehensible.

gerrymandering

[identity profile] smoooom.livejournal.com 2005-01-06 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
OK. I'll adimit to ignorance, I read the article and I made sense. but I don't get what gerrymandering is.

Re: gerrymandering

[identity profile] smoooom.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
I'd say "you've got to be kidding" but I know you aren't. I'm not sure but as far as I know this doesn't happen here. We just (before last Federal election) redrew all the electoral districts. This get done every so often, but it's based on poulation not who voted for what. (at least as far as I know, hold on a momwent while I check something) I just checked with Wayne, he'd not heard of the term, but he says don't bet on it not happening. I tend to agree, it's not something I've heard of up here, but if it did exsist it would be bad. I hope that the governer can do something about it.

Re: gerrymandering

[identity profile] pheltzer.livejournal.com 2005-01-06 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
A prime example of gerrymandering is FL Congressional district 8. At it's widest it's 20 miles wide, but on average more like 5-7 miles wide, but it stretches on for 120 miles, through 4 different counties, and completely avoids the one "major" city in the area, Orlando.

Re: gerrymandering

[identity profile] johnridley.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Texas just did a redistricting which apparently is a horrendous example of gerrymandering. Districts can be seen to exactly follow lines between wealthy and poor neighborhoods, blue collar and white collar, etc.

I sometimes wonder if it's possible to make hard and fast rules to prevent this; something like "districts must be polygons with a maximum of 8 angles, except where they follow physical boundaries such as rivers, or political boundaries such as township borders."

[identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com 2005-01-06 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Sadly, I don't think anything will be done. Both parties like the system broken.

B

Re: Gerrymandering

[identity profile] rono-60103.livejournal.com 2005-01-07 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
If I had my way, I'd find a way to remove as much of the human element from the redistricting process as possible. Assuming the US Census can provide a reasonably accurate distribution of the population over the geography of a state, there should be a reasonable algorithm that produces geographically concentrated blocks containing the target population (within a reasonable range). Perhaps showing my bias coming from a low-population state, I'd want the algorithm to try to do it by whole counties, then by any sub-county organization, working down by township, section, sub-section, and finally into neighborhoods etc.

Of course, this would be seen as unfair by those who feel that there must be a district that represents some specific group.

I doubt that the politicians would ever stand for this, or anything else that preserves the status-quo that they depend on.

[identity profile] sdorn.livejournal.com 2005-01-10 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd love if compactness were a national standard. As long as this applies to every state, it'd be a good thing.