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billroper ([personal profile] billroper) wrote2006-03-01 12:52 pm
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An Experiment in Civil Obedience

For my friends down in Atlanta, this five-minute video shows the result when a group of young people decide to obey the traffic laws.

Interestingly, this act of civil obedience would be illegal in Illinois. (Via Instapundit.)

[identity profile] pheltzer.livejournal.com 2006-03-01 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Help me on this one.... why would this be illegal in Illinois? Hell there are places where minimum speed limits are posted... so theoretically as long as you're going the minimum or higher they shouldn't be able to issue a ticket.

[identity profile] shsilver.livejournal.com 2006-03-01 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Back when I lived in Bloomington, a group decided to do this around I-465 around Indianapolis. During rush hour they were going to drive around the entire circle, in the right and middle lanes only, at the speed limit.

The cops later commented on how easy it was to spot the speeders.

[identity profile] tigertoy.livejournal.com 2006-03-01 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Since I'm on dialup, I can't see the video. I can only hope that the point is to show how stupid the speed limits are.

[identity profile] figmo.livejournal.com 2006-03-01 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
A bunch of people did a similar protest in the SF Bay area a few years ago.

It was amusing.

[identity profile] unkbar.livejournal.com 2006-03-01 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
It would be illegal in New York, too.

New York Law (Title 7A25 S1120 6.b) says "In addition, upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the
conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then
available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb
or edge of the roadway, ..."

Note that it says "the normal speed of traffic", NOT "the posted speed limit". Violation of this section is called "failure to keep right" and is a moving violation that'll cost you two points.

The drivers who wanted to pass that "rolling roadblock" may ALSO have been guilty of ANOTHER moving violation, such as speeding, but that doesn't excuse the demonstrator's failure to keep right.

[identity profile] oreouk.livejournal.com 2006-03-01 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think the result would be quite so dramatic in England, but it would still be felt. It's interesting enough on country roads when people come right up and tailgate because you're keeping to the posted limits and are on a bit of road where they feel the posted limits are wrong.

I love the image of the river of cars coming round the corner :-)

[identity profile] jeff-duntemann.livejournal.com 2006-03-02 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Rolling roadblocks like that are illegal in Colorado, too. I don't know all the details, but the cops can ticket you for cruising in the left lane if you're not passing somebody. We all think the ulterior motive here is to make it easier for people to speed if they want to, since if nobody can speed, the state can't make the ticket revenue it's come to depend on.

[identity profile] johnridley.livejournal.com 2006-03-02 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's illegal in most if not all states. It's called "impeding traffic".

Even if not technically illegal, they'll still try to ticked you for it. I read on BikeForums fairly often of bicyclists getting ticketed for "impeding traffic." In reality if taken to court this gets thrown out most of the time, and gets thrown out on appeal every time it's taken high enough. But most people just pay the fine. Most of the time things don't have to be illegal, you just need to irritate a cop.

Two observations:
1-This has been going on for decades. First time I heard of it was in the 70's.

2-The van driver really missed his opportunity. Once you get by, you get in front of one of the drivers and slow to 45 MPH, breaking up the rolling roadblock. Of course, most drivers don't give a damn about anyone else on the road as long as they've gotten their way, so that may be a bit much to ask.

Personally I do drive actually below the limit in Michigan (usually 60 to 65 in our ubiquitous 70 zones). I do go about what everyone else id soing (70 in a 55 zone) in Chicago, but my numbers there are skewed because the only time I drive there is when I'm in the beginning/end of a long trip, and I do tend to drive a bit faster when I'm driving hundreds of miles at a stretch.

But I do take advantage of opportunity when it happens; if I come across a semi in the right lane driving a fair amount below the limit, like maybe 60 in a 70 zone, I will drop in and tail him. I'd rather drive slower anyway.

[identity profile] ash-blackwell.livejournal.com 2006-03-02 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Watching this, I was rather amused because my father was doing 60 mph on the same road during rush hour in the far right non-exit lane and had a cop come up beside him and signal that he needed to speed up, he was obstructing the folks around him trying to do 85!